livingartgeckos dijo:
Hi all,
first thanks for all coments...
The percentage means number of generations out from costal (jaguar). It doesn't mean number of diamond or jungle blood inside because you don't know exactly how much you have in it (lets take 50% Diamond X Jungle - each animal looking little different because some have more diamond, some jungle blood and some are half to half). If you want you can call them 94 % jungle diamond jaguar.
BTW, I have also diamond x jungle females but I decided to add more yellow to them and I think it was good idea.
Male is produced by Olli from Precision and he was one of the best hold back he ever hatched...
Konrad
Sorry Konrad but i always see people call the final animal by the % of crossing blood on it... and i will continue to do that... generation don´t mean % for me, but your way to "see" that ("The percentage means number of generations out from costal (jaguar). It doesn't mean number of diamond or jungle blood inside because you don't know exactly how much you have in it (lets take 50% Diamond X Jungle - each animal looking little different because some have more diamond, some jungle blood and some are half to half). If you want you can call them 94 % jungle diamond jaguar") is in some points 100% true because, every time you had new pure blood to a Jag you will "cut" half of their influence in the offsprings (in fact you are "cuting of" Mcdowelli blood because "Jaguar" is just a gene), and it will happen in every generation, and in my opinion you have some GREAT Jungle Diamond Jags, just because for me makes more sense to have the most influence blood in first, and this wold be the first ones in the world (i dont see nothing like that in any forum or in any breeder)...
Tell me one thing Konrad, if you cross you MAGNIFICENT male (men i love that animal...) with a 88% DJJ Sibling (with a sister of your male if you prefer...) what is the % (consider the generation) of the offspring in you opinion?
Like I expect... Oliver is the men... i also have a female 88% DJJ from Oliver and one Pure Diamond (Gosfords line), both from the 2008 breeding season. My female is more yellow than your male but she dont have that "clear" pattern, your male is one of the best´s i´ve ever seen my friend! I think your male is son of one white line diamond x jungle who produces the best DJJ for Oliver (in my opinion...), im right?, he realy produces some of the best "high end" carpets in Europe and in the World.
livingartgeckos dijo:
Hi all,
I have one more enigma to VeLLiKi
. I see you are very good in matematic. I'm crossing now 88% DJJ male to 50% DJJ female. How would you call Jags who came from that crossing and what % each subspecies you can find in them?
Regards
Konrad
For me (and i´m not as good as you think in mathematics... hehehe) is a very "simple problem"
( and i need to make some calcules)... in this case i think you get offspring with the midle % of the parents... let me explain with numbers:
1- 50 %DJJ have (if used a 88% diamond blood crossing in the 1st generation, this may influence the final %):
50% Jag Blood and 50% crossing blood in the "final product"
50% Crossing Blood (87,50% of Diamond blood and 12,5% of Jungle blood in the Crossing)
Now you can make this calcule:
(87% Diamond + 12,5% Jungle)= 100% Crossing = 50% of the "final product"
so
100% (crossing blood)--------------------------- 50% (in the "final product")
87,5% (of Diamond blood in the crossing)---- X (in the "final product")
X= 43.70% of Diamond Blood in the "final product"
In the "final product" youget:
- 50% Jag (Mcdowelli) Blood
- 43.70% Diamond Blood
- 6.30% of Jungle Blood
2- 88% DJJ have (if used a 88% diamond blood crossing in the 1st generation, this may influence the final %):
12.5% Jag Blood and 87,5% crossing blood in the "final product"
87,50% Crossing Blood (87.5 Diamond blood and 12,5% of Jungle blood in the crossing)
Now you can make this calcule:
(87,5% Diamond + 12,5% Jungle)= 100% Crossing = 87.5% of the "final product"
so
100% (crossing blood)--------------------------- 87.5% (in the "final product")
87,5% (of Diamond blood in the crossing)---- X (in the "final product")
X= 76,5625% of Diamond Blood in the "final product"
In the "final product" you get:
- 12,5% Jag (Mcdowelli) Blood
- 76,5625% of Diamond Blood
- 10,9375% of Jungle Blood
3- In "your" pairing (88% DJJ X 50% DJJ) you will have:
- Jag Blood in the "final product" = (50% (from the 50% DJJ)+ 12.5% (from the 88% DJJ))/2
= 62,5/2 = 31.25% Jag Blood
100% - 31,25% (Jag Blood) = 68,75% of Crossing Blood in "the final product"
Now (and consider the 88% Diamond Blood Crossing) you have:
(87,5% Diamond + 12,5% Jungle)= 100% Crossing = 68,75% of the "final product"
so
100% (crossing blood)--------------------------- 68,75% (in the "final product")
87,5% (of Diamond blood in the crossing)---- X (in the "final product")
X= 60,15625% of Diamond Blood in the "final product"
In the "final product" you get:
- 31.25% Jag (Mcdowelli) Blood
- 60,15625% Diamond Blood
- 8.59375% of Jungle Blood
I have the same opinion as you in one aspect, in the same clutch we have animals with diferent looking, some better looking and some not so good, this is because some have more influence of some blood than others, this is a fact and i think everyone know that! but if you hatch one clutch you cannot tell to the other people that you have a "GREAT clutch" if you only get 2 ou 3 GREAT animals and 20 average looking brothers and sisters... so we use the percentage (%) of bloods involved in the breeding pair and in the final animals to make easy to visualize what we expect of the final "product", BUT in the final product we can have SPECTACULAR animals and average animals (even in the Jag siblings)
I hope you dont misunderstand me Konrad, and i think your pairing is GREAT, but in my opinion you dont get 94% DJJ.
Best Regards
Pedro
